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Cupertino Reacts to Gun Violence

The latest events in Cupertino and Connecticut have people talking voicing opinions on gun violence.

In a time of year where holiday cheer is usually present, it doesn't seem to be the case after last week's list of tragedies with the Oregon mall shooting, the bomb threat to a teacher at a Cupertino high school, and now the elementary school shooting in Connecticut.

Though the bomb threat at Monta Vista High School came up empty, it was not so for Sandy Hook Elementary's shooting in Connecticut, coercing citizens in thinking twice about gun regulations and health.

“It's really sad what's happened, and that so many kids and families have been effected,” said Robin Lee-Tieh, 47, a student at De Anza College and a parent of a teenage daughter. “It seems like a warning for our country to keep people healthy mentally. I mean it's obvious he [Adam Lanza] was mentally ill and needed help.”

Lee-Tieh also said it's important keeping kids occupied after school to stay out of trouble.

ABC News has reported 31 mass shootings since Columbine in 1999, causing debate over the 2nd Amendment.

Instead of eliminating guns altogether though, Caleb Seaton, 26, a Cupertino barista believes guns should be harder to come by, avoiding infringement on people's rights.

“I think it's a tough one. If I'm not mistaken, the shootings happened in states that are more strict on gun control,” Seaton said.

He also said easing up on gun control could possibly decrease the amount of shootings based on people having their own protection, but then again, more guns could also mean more shootings.

“I think that people should be able to own or carry whatever they want, just make it harder to obtain in general.”

In order for police enforcement to be issued a gun, they have an extensive list of background checks, psychological profiling, extensive firearms training and much more, yet citizens can purchase guns if they have a license because it's a right.

Others want more protection on school campuses, including Homeland Security consultant Thomas Panuzio. Panuzio told ABC 4 News, “We must recognize that we are not doing enough on a national level to protect these kids.”

“You think that it would get better, but it doesn't change,” said a Lynbrook High alumni, George Mumaw, 52. “Evil is evil, and it's always going to be there. What they need to do is keep police in every elementary, middle and high school in America; they already do for the colleges. Once the kids are at school, it should be safe ground.”

Frank Geefay December 17, 2012 at 08:26 PM
I feel that anything short of a total ban on guns coupled with extremely harsh sentences for those possessing, trafficking, and using them, can easily be compromised. Laws must be straight forward and harsh to have effect. It is too easy for criminals and the insane to get hold of guns. Not only should the selling of guns be a crime but if a gun can be traced back to a seller then the seller could also be charged as an accessory to the crime which would compound his sentence. If we are to significantly reducing gun crimes and mass murders as happened in Connecticut and elsewhere we need to take significant and serious actions. There needs to be a ‘No Tolerance for Guns’ policy in America. Perhaps we can then eliminate our Gun Culture after 10-15 years. We need our children to grow up not hearing daily news about gun shootings. Our tolerance for gun shootings is far too high. We need 7 or more people to be killed to make an impression. For those who must target practice or hunt let there be well regulated gun clubs that sell and store guns. Owners can check out their guns with permits specifying their use and time of return or provide facilities for their use. If the gun is not returned within the allotted time it will be considered a gun theft unless proven otherwise. The 2nd Amendment clearly states "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...", not for other purposes. Laws need to be changed to reflect this intention.
Frank Geefay December 18, 2012 at 01:20 AM
"US urged to consider Australia's gun laws example" - ABC News http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-17/us-urged-to-consider-australia-gun-laws-example/4431262
Mark Burns December 18, 2012 at 05:12 AM
How easy is it for criminals (felons?) and the insane (medically diagnosed) to get a hold of guns? And would they get them just as easily if they were illegal? Does someone who uses a gun in the commission of a crime stop and think about doing more time with a gun or do they think about not getting caught at all? I love all the laws and regulations you would have us adhere to. Especially all the little rules for shooting ranges. You'll probably have to run for President and then issue an executive order to accomplish all these things. It doesn't matter what others think about these things, you know best. PS Australia? They haven't had any problems at all with violent crime since the gun ban either I would suppose, eh Frank? http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
Gary E. Jones December 18, 2012 at 05:01 PM
Tim McVeigh killed 168 and did not use a gun. Laws do not stop crazy people. We need to do a better job of identifying these folks before they take insane action. On the other hand; who in the world needs a gun that shots 100 rounds to kill a deer?
Gill Doyle December 18, 2012 at 06:18 PM
Guns that are designed explicitly to kill people (eg the popular Glock handgun, the AR-15) and ammunition for these guns should be made unavailable to all but military and law enforcement personnel. That would be my preference. We could begin there.
Frank Geefay December 18, 2012 at 07:15 PM
Mark, you are very good at attacking Everything I say but you offer few of any solutions other than giving a link to a conservative think tank and mocking my comments without constructive criticism. Why don't you turn those attacks into discussions about the topic? I've followed some of your comment and some are very good. You give the impression that somehow you are afraid of what I say. Do my words carry that much powerful? I doubt that I actually change any minds. I'm simply not that good. So what is there to fear from me? I realize my proposal for a total gun ban is not realistic in light of America's love affair with gun but it is something I believe and I pose it to stimulate a discussion. Feel free to constructively criticize my ideas and propose your own solution if you think change is needed.
Mark Burns December 18, 2012 at 07:31 PM
Don't flatter yourself Frank. What you say in these threads is so far off that someone has to comment on their absurdity. I think most walk right by (apathetic), doing nothing about the commentary you put forth. Your opinions are socialistic and seek to limit the personal freedoms Americans have enjoyed for 230+ years. Saying nothing is like condoning the speech itself.
Frank Geefay December 18, 2012 at 08:05 PM
However you do pose some thought provoking questions about criminals and the medically insane getting hold of guns as well as killing without consideration of consequences. The mass killing in Connecticut was done with legally obtained guns without the thought of consequences. So what are the solutions? A ban on assault weapons might have reduced the number of people killed but hand guns like glocks can also shoot fairly rapidly and only take seconds to reload. In reality only a small fraction of homicides are committed by mass killers. The vast majority of killings are done by legally sane criminals. It is only because our accepted tolerance for gun killings is so high that mass killings bring the problem to public light. I think we need to focus more on the big picture. Removing the source of guns used in the commission of crimes will go a long way towards reducing gun related homicides. We need to focus upon those supplying gun illegally. Perhaps much stiffer punishments should be dispensed upon those handing or selling guns illegally to others such as 40 years without parole. Perhaps more should be done by law enforcement to trace guns back to their source and make them more accountable as accessories to crimes thus adding more hard time to gun dealers and those passing on guns. Criminals may not care about the consequences of their crime but perhaps gun dealer will. This might also make accessibility less convenient for the mentally insane.
Frank Geefay December 18, 2012 at 08:11 PM
How does killing not infringe on victims' freedom of speech and pursuit of happiness?
Frank Geefay December 18, 2012 at 08:43 PM
The thought is a good one. The problem is that there are so many mentally disturbed people in America, including those we create by sending to war who return with PTSD, that it is almost impossible to tell who poses a real or potential threat. Our science of psychology is far too inadequate and our resources to analyze potential threats far too small to be of much practical use. Even the killer in Connecticut did not fit a compelling profile of a mass killer. There are so many autistic kids that exhibit the same behaviors who pose absolutely no such threat. How many autistic mass killers have there been? Perhaps none other than this case. BTW CDC stats say 70% of homicides in America are a result of fire arms for 2011. So there are significant homicides by other means. But I fear other solutions need to be found.
Frank Geefay December 18, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Absurdities need not be pointed out to state the obvious because by definition they make no sense to anyone other than the one making them.
Gary E. Jones December 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM
It is a good idea Gill; but, unfortunately our culture has a long way to go before your suggestion will become a reality. What do we do in the meantime? My cousin was kidnapped, raped and killed in the 50's by an escaped prisoner from the Atascadero State Mental Hospital. Bad things have been going on for a long time. I am all for changing the fire arms laws; your idea is a good start. The reality is that nut jobs are nut jobs and will find a way to carry out their mission regardless of the law. Sidebar: one has to wonder how many of these crazies are hardened by video games focused on killing, wanting the media coverage of today for self aggrandizement or revenge for bullying. It seems to me that there are a lot of other issues to be considered here along with gun control. A national conversation on the issue of lunatics going off and killing has more than one discussion point.
Sandra January 09, 2013 at 05:36 PM
While the debate continues over gun control - let's fix the school grounds issues in Cupertino. MANY of the schools are not protected with fencing, gates, etc. The office is sometimes located in the middle of the grounds requiring strangers to walk through campus. You can walk onto the school grounds from many different sides. Kids and adults can come and go. The only security is a letter asking adults to sign in and children look for strangers. This is not good enough.

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